Direktno članstvo u HRS-u - 2

[9A6R]

Kakvi članovi takav i Savez.Nije mi jasno što je tu nejasno?


9A6R

[9A3VV]

Pozdrav,zašto pojedinci koji su nezadovoljni svojim klubom,izfrustrirani zbog nečega, nastoje svim silama umjeća pisane rječi,navesti ostale da misle kao oni, imamo bezbroj klubova pa neka nezadovoljci biraju po svojoj mjeri, ja osobno nisam zadovoljan klubom ali to je moje osobno,to neznači da moj matični klub neradi dobro,možda ja nisam uredu?,pa ako u klubu nije nešto po pravilu,pravilniku to se rješava unutar kluba ,diskusijom argumentima, evo susjeda i ja odlučili napraviti klub,nemožemo se dogovoriti oko podjele funkcija, sutra ćemo obadvoje tvrditi ili ona ili ja zavisi o funkciji da klub nevalja, paće mo tražiti direktno članstvo u HRS-u, a kada nam ni taj HRS nebude valjao tražitćemo da se i njega sruši,jer nama ništa nevalja.
73 Drago 9a8du(Osijek nepokoreni grad)

Dakle, koja papazjanija... Ja nisam nezadovoljan klubom, ja jednostavno nisam i ne želim biti članom nijednoga kluba ali ne bježim od članstva u Savezu kao takvom, naprotiv, to ti je do sada trebalo postati jasno. I da znaš, lagano mi sa tom svojom susjedom ideš na ... Ako nisi u stanju nešto pametno odgovoriti o ovoj temi a ti potraži svoj FIAT PANIS pa tamo mlati praznu slamu.

[9A3HP]

Članstvo u Radio Klubu ili direktno u HRS ?
Da ili Ne
I tumačenje. Iz mog skromnog znanja sa Pravnog fakulteta sjećam se nečeg zanimljivog. "Zakon se može donijeti, Zakon se može izmjeniti, Zakon se može ukinuti." I sada mahanjem pravilnikom po kojem "pojedinac mora biti član nekog radokluba"  To mahanje Pravilnikom je plašenje medvjeda u pokušaju.
Kada je "bare bone" ključna kost radioamaterizma, Morzeova abeceda, ukinuta , i nije potrebna za stjecanja bilo kojeg amaterskog razreda, nevidim razliku u članstvu  obavezno u RK da bi netko mogao biti radio amater?

Ovo što je kao obavezno je Pravilnik a to znači podzakonski akt kojeg prvi vjetar odnese.

To što je nekad davno potpisao taj i taj , mene uopće ne impresionira.
Zastarjelost je dobar razlog za ukinuti  Zakon , puno veće vrijednosti nego glupi pravilnik. 

Članstvo u Savezu obavezno
članstvo u klubu po zasluzi tog RK

Eto zašto je to moguće u ARRL i RSGB  (a i u još situacija)

21 stoljeće je , ako telegrafija nije potrebna , čemu služe Radio Klubovi osim da guše amaterizam.

[9A5CW]

Evo jedne ankete izmedju WWYC clanova o temi u naslovu:

Finska:
> 1. a) What country are you from and what is the name of your hamradio
> organization (DARC, SARTG etc...)

Finland, SRAL

>    b) To be a member of the country hamradio organization, can you be a
> member as a singular hamradio operator, or can only clubs be members of
> the
> organization ?

Both can be members.

>    c) If you know what % of hamradio operators are members in the country
> organization? (aproximately?)
>

Somewhere around 80 %

> 2. a) Do you guys have to pay every year for your licence, or use of the
> hamradio frequencies ?

Yearly frequency fee is 18,14 e (2008).

>    b) If so, how ? (even a link or anything)

http://www.ficora.fi/en/index/luvat/luvanvaraisetradiolaitteet/radioamatoorit.html
(mentions an old fee 16e)

>    c) do they plan to do something on that matter ?
>

No.

> 3. a) Do you have to be a member in your country hamradio organization ?

Not anymore .

>    b) How much is the membership per year ?
>

50 euros

> 4. a ) What does your hamradio organization offer you for that money ?

Eg. QSL service and magazine

>    b ) Do you have to pay for other things (QSL biro, magazine, .... ) ?
>    c ) If so how much ?

No. These are included in membership fee.

Španjolska:
1. a) What country are you from and what is the name of your hamradio
organization (DARC, SARTG etc...)

Spain - URE (Union de Radioaficonados Españoles)

    b) To be a member of the country hamradio organization, can you be a
member as a singular hamradio operator, or can only clubs be members of the
organization ?

Yes individual member, also clubs can member and URE have local sections in all provinces.
Any person can be member also not licensed.

    c) If you know what % of hamradio operators are members in the country
organization? (aproximately?)

40%
URE have about 13000 members

2. a) Do you guys have to pay every year for your licence, or use of the
hamradio frequencies ?


This is the dues for 2008

Examination fee: EUR 21.65.
Operator Certificate: EUR 12.98.
Amateur authorization (call sign): EUR 187.27 (for life)
Temporary authorization: Free (special callsing)

    b) If so, how ? (even a link or anything)
    c) do they plan to do something on that matter ?
No, this was modified on 2006, before we pay every 5 years about 60€ for the callsing.

3. a) Do you have to be a member in your country hamradio organization ?
No
    b) How much is the membership per year ?
63,90€


4. a ) What does your hamradio organization offer you for that money ?

RADIOAFICIONADOS magazine, issued monthly (except September).
Inbound & outbound QSL bureau service through the URE Sections located throughout Spain.
Third party liability insurance for antenna installations.
E-mail and web space on the URE web.
Legal representation

    b ) Do you have to pay for other things (QSL biro, magazine, .... ) ?
No
Only if want, you can pay 1€ per month and you can received your QSL at home directly.

    c ) If so how much ?

Njemacka:
> Hellow guys!
>
> I need a helping hand. We are trying to solve some problems around our
> hamradio organization (ZRS) and i need some informations from you.
>
> Can you answer the following questions:
>
> 1. a) What country are you from and what is the name of your hamradio
> organization (DARC, SARTG etc...)
>
> *DL - DARC*
>
>     b) To be a member of the country hamradio organization, can you be a
> member as a singular hamradio operator, or can only clubs be members of the
> organization ?
>
> *You can be a single member - club stations can also be members. But in order to get your QSL-cards, you have to be member of a local clubstation, as QSL-cards are only sent to clubstations ...*
>
>     c) If you know what % of hamradio operators are members in the country
> organization? (aproximately?)
>
> *We have around 75,000 individual callsigns in Germany and we are round about 44,000 members, so my guess is ... erh, something around 59%*
>
>
>
> 2. a) Do you guys have to pay every year for your licence, or use of the
> hamradio frequencies ?
>
> *Yes - but the fee is collected irregularly by the authority. Last time I had to pay like 21 EUR for 2004 and 2005 each. For 2006, 2007 and 2008 they haven't collected the fee yet ...*
>
>     b) If so, how ? (even a link or anything)
>
> *see above - they'll send us a bill which we have to pay within a month.*
>
>     c) do they plan to do something on that matter ?
>
> *right now? - No idea ...*
>
>
>
> 3. a) Do you have to be a member in your country hamradio organization ?
>
> *Not necessarily.*
>
>     b) How much is the membership per year ?
>
> *For the time being 66 EUR for adults, 24 EUR for students (etc.) up to 27 yrs of age. But they plan to rise the membership fee within the next year or so ...*
>
>
>
> 4. a ) What does your hamradio organization offer you for that money ?
>
> *QSL-service, monthly magazine CQ DL, antenna insurance, collective insurance for DARC-participants in local ham radio-events, limited legal assistance, e4all (e-mail-forwarding) and h4all (10 MB webspace for all members), information on ham radio operating abroad etc. ... I guess that is the most important ...*
>
>     b ) Do you have to pay for other things (QSL biro, magazine, .... ) ?
>
> *nope ...*
>
>     c ) If so how much ?

Švedska:
> Can you answer the following questions:
>
> 1. a) What country are you from and what is the name of your hamradio
> organization (DARC, SARTG etc...)

SSA (Sveriges Sändareamatörer) - Sweden

>     b) To be a member of the country hamradio organization, can you be a
> member as a singular hamradio operator, or can only clubs be members of
> the> organization ?

Individuals and clubs can be members

>     c) If you know what % of hamradio operators are members in the
> country organization? (aproximately?)

I bit less than 50%

> 2. a) Do you guys have to pay every year for your licence, or use of
> the hamradio frequencies ?

No, that was removed almost five years ago.

>     b) If so, how ? (even a link or anything)
>     c) do they plan to do something on that matter ?
>
> 3. a) Do you have to be a member in your country hamradio organization ?

No

>     b) How much is the membership per year ?

About 44 Eur. There's also the option to become a lifetime lid like me, I
think that's around 600 Eur.

> 4. a ) What does your hamradio organization offer you for that money ?
>     b ) Do you have to pay for other things (QSL biro, magazine, .... )?

QSL Bureau and Magazine is included in the membership fee. You cannot get
these separately, it's all or nothing.

>     c ) If so how much ?
>
>
> Hope that you will take the time and do me a favour with answering to
> these questions.

Good luck, and also good luck to all lids out there beeping in the WW CW
:-)

UK:
> Hellow guys!
>
> I need a helping hand. We are trying to solve some problems around our
> hamradio organization (ZRS) and i need some informations from you.
>
> Can you answer the following questions:
>
> 1. a) What country are you from and what is the name of your hamradio
> organization (DARC, SARTG etc...)
>
UNITED KINGDOM RSGB Radio society of Great britain
>
>    b) To be a member of the country hamradio organization, can you be a
> member as a singular hamradio operator, or can only clubs be members of the
> organization ?
>
Both individuals and clubs can be members, also family membership

Percentage of hams who are members.

No idea, ask another G lid.

>
> 2. a) Do you guys have to pay every year for your licence, or use of the
> hamradio frequencies ?

5 year licence and it's FREE, You only have to pay if you did the old
skool Radio Amateur Exam which the licence ppl OFCOM won't have a
record of and they need to see your paperwork.

>
>    b) If so, how ? (even a link or anything)
>    c) do they plan to do something on that matter ?

www.ofcom.org.uk
>
> 3. a) Do you have to be a member in your country hamradio organization ?
> No
>    b) How much is the membership per year ?
£45
>
>
> 4. a ) What does your hamradio organization offer you for that money ?

Usual stuff, Radcom magazine every month
QSL BURO
Legal representation
hold the ham exams via a network of voluntters



>
>    b ) Do you have to pay for other things (QSL biro, magazine, .... ) ?

no
>
>    c ) If so how much ?

itd... ima jos toga ... više na WWYC reflectoru!

73

[9A2JG]

Moj Patroklo, a primit  QSL-ke 52 dana poslije Jaruna, poslane po ovlaštenoj osobi? Ne znan koliko eura nije vridno mojih živaca a za tekucinu da ne govorin..............................
Paper QSL forever

73, Koki 9A2JG

[9A2Y]

     Danas sam se raspisao i ne znam kad ću više.Imali smo na Hvaru R.K klub "Hanibal Lucić".Prekinuo je s radom 1982 godine.1992 ja sam ponovno registrirao Klub i imali smo 38 članova.Svake godine,sa dolaskom mobitela osipalo se Članstvo.U petnajest godina postojanja kluba dobili smo od Župnije Spitsko Dalmatinske HZT 5000 kuna i od nikog nikad nit kune.Organizirali smo tri puta ispite.1. u prostorijama mog ugostiteljskog lokala u Starom Gradu.2.u prostorijama Osnovne škole u Starom Gradu.3.u Jelsi na Hvaru.Ulupno oko 60 polagača.Kako su druga sredstva dolazila u Klub da bi mogao postati ne želim spominjati,podrazumje se.Zadnje godine došli smo do tri člana(jedan je stradao u požaru na Hvaru).Moje je stanovište da nit jedan Klub ne bi trebao opstati ako manje naplati članarine od svojih članova,nego što treba platiti članarinu HRS-u 500kuna.Zato je ugašen R.K."Hanibal Lucić".
  Toiliko se spominjalo moje nepaćanje članarine za ovu godinu na ovom Forumu da je to bilo vrlo degutantno.No ja sam platio HRS-u direktno DOŽIVOTNU ČLANARINU,a na što sam nagovorio i mog klubskog kolegu Zdravka Blaževića 9A6JOZ.No, ove godine sam u Veljači primio paketić QSL karata,i ništa više ove godine.Nisam ih dobio ni poslije Kraljevice.Marinko mi ih je obećao poslati ovih dana.i nikome se ne žalim.
      idemo dalje
         hvala na strpljenu    Milan 9a2y

[9A2JG]

Dobro san ja napisa da je u Adventu, obavezna ispovid. Valjda je sad na Marinka red...

73, Koki 9A2JG

P.S. Moj Patrik, a da se učlanit u RSGB, di bi ti bija kraj. Baš bi te i kraljica primila.

[9A8DU]

Pozdrav,zašto pojedinci koji su nezadovoljni svojim klubom,izfrustrirani zbog nečega, nastoje svim silama umjeća pisane rječi,navesti ostale da misle kao oni, imamo bezbroj klubova pa neka nezadovoljci biraju po svojoj mjeri, ja osobno nisam zadovoljan klubom ali to je moje osobno,to neznači da moj matični klub neradi dobro,možda ja nisam uredu?,pa ako u klubu nije nešto po pravilu,pravilniku to se rješava unutar kluba ,diskusijom argumentima, evo susjeda i ja odlučili napraviti klub,nemožemo se dogovoriti oko podjele funkcija, sutra ćemo obadvoje tvrditi ili ona ili ja zavisi o funkciji da klub nevalja, paće mo tražiti direktno članstvo u HRS-u, a kada nam ni taj HRS nebude valjao tražitćemo da se i njega sruši,jer nama ništa nevalja.
73 Drago 9a8du(Osijek nepokoreni grad)
Pozdrav,još jednom te molim,odkači ako nisi za normalnu diskusiju,shvaćam možda je upitanju post diplomski stres .73 Drago 9a8du(Osijek nepokoreni grad)

Dakle, koja papazjanija... Ja nisam nezadovoljan klubom, ja jednostavno nisam i ne želim biti članom nijednoga kluba ali ne bježim od članstva u Savezu kao takvom, naprotiv, to ti je do sada trebalo postati jasno. I da znaš, lagano mi sa tom svojom susjedom ideš na ... Ako nisi u stanju nešto pametno odgovoriti o ovoj temi a ti potraži svoj FIAT PANIS pa tamo mlati praznu slamu.

[9A2JG]

"Neclanovi ne mogu na forum", napisa Zikonja, šta mi nešto pametno (za promjenu) ne kopiramo od Nijemaca... Pola bi problema bilo riješeno...
A Renija i mene, davno prije, niko nije tija slušat...

73 , Koki 9A2JG

[9A6R]

I da se zabrani da jedan kolega drugom radi veze na CW za DXCC diplomu.

[9A4DB]

Sva je srica da nas Milan ne ide na ispovid, poplavila bi kolina
a pokaja se nebi 

[9A4DB]

Kazu mi u gradu Hvaru da jos nisu zaprimili osnovna sredstva
ugasene udruge gradjana, bit ce da je beam previsoko a moze
bit da je strada od bure....

[9A2JG]

Ja bi pisa, ali ne znan, kako ćemo se dogovorit, nas tri, a označeno dvoje?

73, Koki 9A2JG

[9A6R]

Nisi ga ni moga vidit kad je iza kuće....

[9A6R]

"Ak me netko traži,ja sam u garaži".