WRTC 2006 - PY

[9a6c]

Ko pljuje po kome i gdje?

GG

[9A2KL]

Malo citaj po forumima Gogo pa ces vidjeti to ne samo ono sto zelis vidjeti

[9A3NC]

Nakon sto sam poskidao malo logova sa WRTC stranice, kako nasih ekipa tako i nekih postaja koje sam uspio odraditi, a ono iznenadjenje!.

u UBN raportu:

"80CW  9A3NC/MM is logged in the wrong country.  The correct country is 9A"

Pa sta im sada ovo znaci??

Ok, odmah po zavrsetku kontesta nisam poslao log na WRTC, jer nisam bio u mogucnosti, ali nije vrag da po glupom softweru ja ne mogu biti nigdje nego kod kuce?

Pokusao sam koliko sam mogao ucestvovati u kontesu i bit novi mnozitelj - zona 52 - mozda i jedini iz ove zone, cemu to kad softwer skida moju vezu, jer 9A moze biti samo u zoni 28.

Inace sam uradio 6 WRTC postaja: i ukupno 46 QSOs, pa nije valjda da su svi primili krivo taj broj 52, ili ce bit da sam ja iz neznanja odasiljao krivu zonu.

Zatim vidio sam da u UBN reportima ima postaja iz USA koje su mozda odsetale u neku susjednu zonu; iz 8 u 7 da budu interesantnije; softwer ce je prijavit kao busted.

Na kraju ne razumijem, cemu sluze suci na WRTC postajama?

73 de 9A3NC/mm  wwloc: JI52  (07°36'S-011°40'E)

[9a6c]

Cijenjeni Lavoslave,

Ništa ja ne želim vijdeti, samo sam pitao na kojim forumima tj gdje, jer, priznajem, da kad su forumi u pitanju i nisam baše sveprisutan kako se misli.

Pa ako ti znaš pomozi i daj link.

TU CU GG

[9A2KL]

Evo malo izvjestaja. Nazalost na engleskom pa neka neko prevede ako hoce.


BRIEF REPORT ON LOG CHECKING


This memorandum is to record an anomaly discovered by
the Judging and Log-Checking Committees in the course
of adjudication of the WRTC 2006 competition and the
action taken as a result, and to offer a
recommendation for future WRTCs.

Immediately after the end of the competition at 1200
UTC on 9 July, electronic logs began arriving from
participants in the IARU HF World Championship from
all over the world for inclusion in the master
database. Thanks to the extraordinary cooperation of
the international contesting community, in a matter of
hours we received more than 1,000 logs for use in
adjudication of the 46 WRTC logs.

When initial trial discrepancy reports for the 46 WRTC
stations were run, four logs were found to have
unusually high numbers of "unique" QSOs. (A "unique"
QSO is one with a station that appears in few other
logs – it is not literally unique and the appropriate
threshold for labeling a QSO as "unique" may vary from
one contest to another. In the case of WRTC 2006 there
were, as noted above, more than 1,000 logs used to
determine "uniques" – that is, we did not limit our
comparison only to other WRTC logs.)

In three of the four cases the reason for the high
number of "uniques" was clearly that the nationality
of the WRTC station had been identified and
communicated within the home country of the team. The
three logs in this category were PW5B (SP7GIQ and
SP2FAX), PT5P (DL6FBL and DL2CC), and PT5N (9A8A and
9A5K). In some cases, multiple QSOs clearly had been
made by the same station under different call signs.
This is contrary to the spirit of WRTC, which is to
provide a level playing field for all. QSOs that are
available to one team but not to any of the others
tilt the playing field. The purpose of WRTC is to
determine the best operators, not who has the most
friends back home. At the same time, it must be said
that the WRTC competitors do not do anything wrong
unless they do something that is intended to identify
themselves. They are not expected to disguise their
voices or their accents. So, in past WRTCs these
"national uniques" have not been deleted from
competitors' logs.

The fourth case, PT5L (YT6A and YT6T), was quite
different. In this case there were hundreds of
"uniques" with call signs from many countries, nearly
all of them in Europe, beginning about two hours into
the event. Not only that, but many of these "uniques"
showed up on several bands, in some cases on both CW
and SSB. Only rarely did these "uniques" show up in
any other logs. The referee, G3XTT, confirmed that he
had heard nothing suspicious or unusual. Most of the
call signs were not familiar to the judges as
appearing in CW contests, but this was apparent only
when the "uniques" were identified as such and this
was not especially noticeable when they were scattered
among valid QSOs.

The audio from this station had been recorded, so it
was possible to confirm that the QSOs had in fact
taken place. It appeared to the judges, from listening
to the recording while examining annotated log
extracts identifying the "uniques," that there was a
small number of stations, probably more than one,
feeding "phantom QSOs" to PT5L. Again, however, this
was apparent only in retrospect.

The motive for feeding these "phantom QSOs" was and is
unknown. PT5L had only operated CW up to the time the
"uniques" began to appear; we have no evidence that
the identity of the operators had been communicated to
anyone prior to that time, either by the operators
themselves or by anyone else.

Identifying "uniques" is a standard part of the
adjudication of any contest. Detecting QSOs added to a
log "from the Callbook" was one of the very first
objectives when computer analysis was first performed
on contest logs. Anyone familiar with UBN or LCR
reports – in other words, any active contester – would
realize that adding such QSOs to the PT5L log was
bound to come to the attention of the judges.
Therefore, in the absence of any evidence to the
contrary, the judges could not conclude that the
operators of PT5L were implicated in any way. They had
to know that such manipulation would be detected and
that there could be no acceptable explanation for so
many people choosing, independently of one another, to
work only PT5L from among more than 1,000 stations
active on the bands during the contest.

It seems much more likely that the "phantom QSOs" were
intended to be sabotage, either of the PT5L operators
specifically (although this would have required
knowing who they were) or of a WRTC station selected
at random. Such behavior, by amateur operators outside
the WRTC event itself, is both reprehensible and
illegal and deserves to be thoroughly investigated.
However, doing so within the time frame of the WRTC
event was impossible.

Thus, the problem facing the judges was how to deal
appropriately with the situation within the context of
WRTC itself. It was decided to reduce the threshold
for labeling a QSO as "unique" to a relatively low
number of logs and to delete from all 46 logs, without
penalty, all "unique" QSOs. Doing so resulted in the
deletion of, at one extreme, just 3 QSOs from a log
containing more than 1,900 QSOs to, at the other
extreme, the deletion of 240 QSOs from the PT5L log of
more than 2,300 QSOs. Most logs lost about 15 QSOs. No
doubt a few of these were valid QSOs (others are
busted calls where there is insufficient evidence to
label them as busted). However, deleting them is very
unlikely to change the relative positions of any teams
with "normal" logs and definitely did not affect the
top three positions, which is the principal concern of
the judges, other than to move PT5L out of 3rd place.
PT5L moved from 3rd to 11th place, some of this
movement the consequence of error rate. (If the intent
of the "phantoms" was to hurt the PT5L entry they
certainly succeeded; the operators spent more than two
hours working stations for which they received no
credit.)

The impact was much greater on the three logs with
significant numbers of "national uniques" (which were
also a very minor factor in the PT5L log – among the
240 "uniques" are just 9 "national uniques" that
showed up very late in the contest after the operators
were identified on the BalkanDX Yahoo forum at 1024
UTC). PW5B lost 125 "uniques" and moved down five
positions, from 11th to 16th, some of this movement
the consequence of error rate. PT5P lost 76 "unique"
QSOs but actually moved up one position in the final
results because their error rate was lower than
average. PT5N lost 67 "uniques" and moved down one
position.

While it is unfortunate that the operators of these
four stations all spent time making QSOs for which
they received no credit, the judges and log-checkers
firmly believe that the appropriate remedy was applied
to correct an unanticipated situation.
Disqualification would have been inappropriate in that
there is no proof – indeed, there is no evidence at
all – that any of the operators were at fault. On the
other hand, allowing "phantom QSOs," once detected as
such, to be credited also would be inappropriate and
would make the whole WRTC event pointless. The same
standard was applied to all 46 logs.

The judges and log-checkers recommend that in future
WRTCs, all "uniques" should be removed from logs
without penalty and that this policy should be
announced in advance. All stations operating in the
IARU HF World Championship should be encouraged to
work all WRTC stations, without favoritism and without
using more than one call sign from any station (unless
family members share a station).

We also recommend that "unique" not be precisely
defined in advance. The judges must be allowed
discretion to determine the appropriate threshold for
"uniques" for a given event, as this will depend upon
the number of logs available for crosschecking and
other factors.

While we regret that this attempt to manipulate the
WRTC results occurred – for whatever reason the
perpetrators may have had – we are pleased to have
detected it and to have been able to take appropriate
corrective action.

The judges would especially like to thank Larry "Tree"
Tyree, N6TR, for his analysis and Phil Goetz, N6ZZ for
his invaluable contribution in uploading the WRTC logs
and maintaining the communication link between the
judges in Florianopolis and Tree at his home in
Oregon. Trey Garlough, N5KO, also contributed
significantly to the log-checking process from his
home in California, as did Larry Hammel, K5OT,
on-site.

Respectfully submitted,

Judges: Log-Checking Committee:
David Sumner, K1ZZ Larry "Tree" Tyree, N6TR
Roger Western, G3SXW Phil Goetz, N6ZZCOMMITTEE

WRTC2006 Steering Committee
Atilano de Oms PY5EG

[9A2KL]

Evo jos malo od "prijatelja" SL/USA

Hi Jeff,



I am glad you put so much emphasis on YT6A team superior technology.
Practical interface work was done by OC Sinisa, YT1NT, YUDX contest manager.



C) The uniques started appearing in their log after their first venture to
SSB in the contest - their first hours were on CW.    



YT6A team was immediately identified as PT5L by name on DX Cluster by
experienced YU7xx spotter.

9A were also early announced and HQ type cheerleading was surely tempting.
Especially for disciplined DL :-)

The rest is a part of tragic Balkan history.  As an illustration, my
callsign was bootlegged for 3Y0X QRM!



Judging logs was done better than in Bled when DL6FBL lost 3rd place on
organizers and CT tech error.



73 de Mario, S56A, N1YU



P.S.  Roger, pass my regards to Vodoo Mike!

[9A2KL]

Evo i nekih drugih spotova koji su identificirali
operatore:

NQ4I 21012.9 PT5V15 n2nt op 1201 08 Jul 2006
WX3B 21218.0 PT5E Krassy, K1LZ 1452 08 Jul 2006
DJ9MH 14288.9 PT5P german team 2107 08 Jul 2006
DJ5MW 14289.0 PT5P go Ben! 2116 08 Jul 2006
S54G 21335.0 PW5O Tince? 1841 08 Jul 2006

A o tome ni rijeci od velikih svjetskih amatera tipa S56A i slicnih

P
Najbolji je ovaj u prvoj minuti ali gospoda iz USA to ni ne spominju.....to se nikada nije desilo.

[N5CRO]

Evo i nekih drugih spotova koji su identificirali
operatore:

NQ4I 21012.9 PT5V15 n2nt op 1201 08 Jul 2006
WX3B 21218.0 PT5E Krassy, K1LZ 1452 08 Jul 2006
DJ9MH 14288.9 PT5P german team 2107 08 Jul 2006
DJ5MW 14289.0 PT5P go Ben! 2116 08 Jul 2006
S54G 21335.0 PW5O Tince? 1841 08 Jul 2006

A o tome ni rijeci od velikih svjetskih amatera tipa S56A i slicnih

P
Najbolji je ovaj u prvoj minuti ali gospoda iz USA to ni ne spominju.....to se nikada nije desilo.

Ovaj sto je stavio spot u prvoj min. je ucinio uslugu Hrletu posto je on bio pt5v....k1dg i n2nt su radili pod PT5Y

[9A2KL]

Ma znamo Josipe sve timove i pod kojim su znacima radili i poznata je stvar da spotovima po clusterima bas i netreba uvijek vjerovati. Naveo sam to samo primjer kako i takve pokusaje nisu komentirali gospoda iz USA kao klasicni primjer anti-pomoci i dezinformacije

[N5CRO]

Slazem se Leone,to se nije smjelo desit,pa cak iako su pogresni spotovi u pitanju.Mene interesira samo jedna stvar,kako to da su poz. znaci bili poznati prije nego je contest poceo?Ako netko zna neka napise,moze i PM.

[9A2KL]

To treba pitati eminentno drustvo koje je bilo tamo i to bez ikakvih ovlasti ili duznosti. Ali ocito dobrodosli u prekrajanju pravilnika poslije kontesta. I po mom misljenju nebi se nikako smjelo pocimati ssb nego samo cw. Lako je po modulacijama i akcentima odrediti tko je tko

[9A6XX]

ne znam tocno zasto su ameri pomislili da je PT5V zapravo N2NT? mozda smo slucajno krivo primili njihov znak i oni su to shvatili kao nekakvu poruku?  :lol: iako nam je taj spot mozda pomogao trebali ste vidjeti doslovni pile up duplih veza kada smo bili spotirani kao PT5U.

sa mojeg stajalista, a moram priznat da je moj partner apsolutno fer igrač, pa smo tako obojica bili apsolutno fer, nas znak nije znao nitko osim nas dvojice i suca do kraja natjecanja (te gostiju koji su bili na nasoj lokaciji jer je ona slucajno bila jedna od blizih HQ). radili smo ssb i nitko nije primjetio nikakav 9A ili jos snazniji DL naglasak (mozda i čudno?). doduse nama je lokacija bila dosta zatvorena prema EU i uradili ih tek malo više od 20%

radili smo čak i vezu sa 9A7P (koji je bio jedan od rijetkih 9A u nasem logu) pa se ni tu nismo pokusavali otkriti, ali i neki suci su malo tolerantniji od drugih, naš N6CW je bio prilično strog.

dakle, ima tu mnogo faktora.

u razgovorima prije natjecanja organizatori su bili sa svima prilično otvoreni (zato je i doslo do rasprava koje su skoro isle u nedogled) i gotovo otvoreno rekli da ce sigurno biti onih ciji ce se znakovi identificirati i nakraju ostavili to timovima kao dio njihovih etičkih stajališta. Etiku natjecatelja su PY organizatori spomenuli barem 100 puta i mislim da je svatko mogao shvatiti olimpijsku poruku.

da se udovolje svi kriteriji zbog cega se vode nebrojene rasprave morala bi se napisati knjiga veća od biblije. svatko tko misli da ima rješenje na neko pitanje a ja sam siguran da to predstavi na nekom forumu kao sto su to bili oni sa 150 contestera prije samog natjecanja u tren oka bi mu barem 10ak novih pitanja i novih cheatova došlo nazad u glavu... pomalo ironično za top contestere?

svatko zna kako se identificirati i kako dobiti takvu podršku.. ipak, meni je drago da to nije slučaj onih koji su pobjedili te mojih favorita koji su došli drugi....

73,
Hrle - 9A6XX
PT5V

[9a6c]

Leone tnx za qsp.

Kako bi se kod nas reklo - učini dobro, izi govno. Ili na hrvatskom, kako napraviti medvjeđu uslugu.

Očito da od toga nema koristi, ali šta se može.

Bitno je da je contest snimljen i da suci nemaju ništa za reći, a ostalo je stvar procedure. I što je najgore, natjecatelji ćak i ne mogu protestirati, da se ne bi identificirali. Pa ispada da je najbolje ovakve veze uvaljivati konkurenciji, hi. Moraju te raditi i šutjeti, a zubići samo škripuću li škripuću...

Bit će komentara još, ali najzanimljvije je vidjeti što će naši momci o svemu napisati. Za neke se priča da su usred contesta udarili po dopingu (špek / luk und PY Kaiser beer...) što je rezultiralo iznenađujuće dobrim plasmanom. Valjda kao kompenzacija za static qrn? Na ljutu ranu - ljutu travu...

GG

[9A2KL]

Da sam ja bio na lokaciji na kojoj su neki sa slika bili........ nebi ni stanicu palio....hi

Samo spek i luk, neki koktelic i naravno PY-yl i sve bi bilo na mjestu. Usput bi osigurao snimku QSO-a za doma jer ako oni zlocesti suci ne priznaju, valjda bi za doma bila autenticna....HI

[9A5K]

Za neke se priča da su usred contesta udarili po dopingu (špek / luk und PY Kaiser beer...) što je rezultiralo iznenađujuće dobrim plasmanom. Valjda kao kompenzacija za static qrn? Na ljutu ranu - ljutu travu...

GG

Ispravak netočnog navoda....
Bilo je PY Bavaria beer... Kaiser smo probali, ali nam se baš i nije svidio...  :lol:

73,
9A5K