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Ostale HAM diskusije => Razno => Autor teme: 9A4OE u 24. Kolovoz 2012, 21:08:45

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Autor: 9A4OE u 24. Kolovoz 2012, 21:08:45
Poradi interesa javnosti.
Nastavak, ali ovaj put cu uskratiti bilo kakav komentar.
Niti smo banana drzava, niti smo drzava bezakonja, Drzava smo u kojoj na njenom cijelom teritoriju vrijede isti Zakoni.


Hello,

This short write-up should be/could be helpful for some future activators of
Brijuni I. EU-110.

On my second visit to 9A, I finally managed to take along my gear and add a "new
one" to my "worked-from" list. After a decent breakfast, my family and myself
left for Fazana around 0800z to catch the 0930z ferry to Brijuni. Roads were a
bit busy but we made it in time and even managed to grab the last free parking
spot just outside of town. We got the ferry tickets but were immediately told
that our return can only be at 13z or 19z. So, we were set for 13z since 19z was
not an option.

We joined the waiting queue and eventually boarded. After an easy 20min trip, we
put feet on EU-110. As there was not much time to hike around, I decided to
set-up the little station just above the main place near the elephant. Nice view
and most important: shadow. The family got on one of the tourist trains and off
they went. I had a slow start on 20m, went down to 30 which did not work well
either but still better than 40. I returned to 20 but I wasn't too successful
either. 60W into a SuperAntenna MP1 are not a lot, but SOTA usually does a lot
better in much shorter time.

Anyway, the family came back from there trip and a couple of minutes later, I
was joined by another man on his little bike who looked a bit weird and asked if
I'm "in a hotel on the island". I denied and told him, that I came with the
ferry for a day-trip. It did look like as if he understood what I was saying. I
said again, that I came with a boat this morning and that I will return this
afternoon. He got it this time and started to fiddle around with his cell phone.
Then you know, that something is not good. I asked him, if I'm not allowed to
use the radio. He only answered "No" but nothing else.

Well, I stopped transmitting and looked at what he was doing and what will
happen. Then, a car with nice blue lights showed up and two men slowly managed
to get out and they discussed together, not looking at me but rather started to
smoke. They then did another phone call and a minute later, an old military car
showed up. No guy in military clothes but rather normal. Maybe from the more
undercover people. All four of them came up to me and the, let's call him
military guy, asked me what I'm doing here. I told him, that I'm an Amateur
Radio operator. He asked for a permission and I showed him my (CEPT) licence. He
then said that's not a licence from 9A and not at all for Brijuni. I said, yes,
I'm not a 9A citizen and would not get a regular 9A license (yes, temporary 9A
foreign licenses exist) that's why I'm operating under the CEPT agreement that
9A signed as well.

Although he said he's also a radio operator (military?), I think he had no clue
what CEPT means. Furthermore, Brijuni is a National Park and I'm not allowed to
operate from this National Park (do you still remember the first argument?). I
can operate from the mainland, but not from here. Ok I said, I'm sorry, I did
not read about this and I was not even told by the 9A people, that it's not
allowed to use HAM gear on Brijuni. Nonetheless, he said, I have to take down
the station because there are some important people on the island. He explained
to me that part of the island is military area and the other part is for
tourists. So, that's been argument #3. Anyway, I told him that we were scheduled
for the ferry at 13z and we would go down now and wait until the ferry shows up.
My final question was: Is there an authority that may be asked for permission to
operate from this island? He said No and nobody is allowed to operate from here.
It's been 7 years
that he's been on the island and nobody ever operated from here. Well, then I
must have been the first one and I did not even try to hide. I guess, the car
with the ZG licence plates and the tinted windows did not like me too much, as
as soon after he passed me, the other 4 chaps showed up.

In a nutshell: Don't go to Brijuni with your gear, the Brijuni authorities will
not issue a permission and CEPT is worthless in that part of the world (BTW,
isn't there a similar story?).


Cu from some other islands, maybe, maybe not..

73 Norby
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Norby, I am sorry for the inconvenience you have experienced on the Brijuni
islands and can understand your disappointment. I also think that you
understand that using amateur radio station form the national park has nothing
to do with CEPT license. One must have proper authorisation form the national
park authorities. It is so everywhere in the world and National Park Brijuni is
not an exception.

Croatia is a small country with more than thousands islands and beautiful
national parks. Brijuni islands is just one of the beauties and that is the
reason why heads of states, ministers and other
VIP persons choose this island for their meetings and holidays. This is reason
why we, the ordinary people, cannot freely move around these islands.

Using amateur radio station on Brioni Islands IS ALLOWED, but not from any place
on the islands. There are places that tourists access are not allowed. After all
that has been said to you. For everything else, one should ask management of the
national park.

Please visit www.brijuni.hr for contact information.

Fortunately, there are other beautiful national parks in Croatia without
restrictions of this kind. The local authorities of these parks are friendly
towards all hams. One simply need to ask
permission to operate.

And again CEPT is perfectly valid in Croatia. For any kind of activity from any
national park or nature reserve anywhere in the world one has to have an
appropriate authorisation from the local
authorities.

Norby, In spite of your small inconvenience on the Brijuni Islands I believe
that your family and you have a nice holiday in Croatia. For indeed Croatia is a
small country for a great holiday especially for adventurous hams.

73 ES CU
Martin 9A2JK
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As a general comment, thanks for an objective reply. That's what I did myself.

> Norby, I am sorry for the inconvenience you have experienced on >the Brijuni
islands and can understand your disappointment.

You don't have to feel sorry for something you are not in charge of. And no, I
wasn't disappointed, I did not see much of the island but the landing point.

>This is reason why we, the ordinary people, cannot freely move >around these
islands.

Well, from what I could see, there are plenty of good tracks where plenty of
tourists passed and they also passed in front of me, so I was in no way where
other tourists would not pass or would not be allowed to pass, as some people
suggested.

> One simply need to ask permission to operate.

I did ask at the Krka main tourist stream area but they wouldn't really care so
I consider my part to be done.

> And again CEPT is perfectly valid in Croatia.

I never said that CEPT is not valid in Croatia. Some knowledge of English would
help to understand what I wrote. To make it clear, and you may report this to
your 9A fellows, I said "in this part of the world" which clearly refers to
Brijuni. And that's what the civilian said. I specifically asked him what
Croatian people (not foreigners) have to do to get a permit to operate from the
island and he clearly said to me that you cannot get a permit to operate from
the island. Now, go figure.

> I believe that your family and you have a nice holiday in Croatia.

Yes we do, despite the daily heat from which even our Croatian hosts suffer. So
far, we did see some nice spots and liked them. We found excellent places and
appreciated great local food, not the tourist junk that is sold everywhere in
the world.

And no, I don't see any reason to apologize for my statement, as I simply
reported what happened. If some people have problems to understand some
sentences, so be it. Maybe I should have paid 80 Kuna to whatever ministry on
top of the ferry price which any other tourist pays as well, just to be allowed
to sit in the shade and set up a small antenna whereas tourists leave other
debris in the NPs for which the responsible authorities do not seem to care,
like jumping across gates to take pictures or leaving cigarette butts and
ice-cream sticks on the ground, for instance? Time to move on.

I'm pretty sure, that the bashing will continue in those various threads.

Norby