Očekivanja? Komentari?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU7X4gPkqtI&feature=player_embedded
Moj je čim skupim dovoljno zelenih ;D
73,9A6R
Izgleda OK. Koliko zelenih treba za njega sakupiti? Hoće li ga biti i u Kenwoodu u Zagrebu?
Citat: 9A1AA u 23. Svibanj 2010, 10:51:13
Izgleda OK. Koliko zelenih treba za njega sakupiti? Hoće li ga biti i u Kenwoodu u Zagrebu?
RSP 1800$
- odnosno koliko čujem to im je target sa uključenim 2,8 i 500Hz roofing filterom, prvo miješanje na 11Mhz, antena tunerom, IF DSP.
Interesantno da na TS-590 ne postoji IF-OUT konektor na pozadini uređaja. Čudno za Kenwood da ne prati trendove koje je postavila konkurencija (K3)?!? Ili možda Kenwood sprema nešto novo? Kao na primjer cijeli spektrum na USB portu pa direktno na USB na laptopu sa prikazom svega šta se dešava na bandu u jednom komadu?
Vidjet ćemo. :-)
Previse klasican :-\. . . pari da je iz proslog stoljeca :P .
73 PJT
Možda klasičan izvana ali nadam se da će Kenwood spakirati par iznenađenja unutra. ;D
Citat: 9A5ATY u 09. Srpanj 2010, 18:47:45
Možda klasičan izvana ali nadam se da će Kenwood spakirati par iznenađenja unutra. ;D
Da nebi iznenadenje bilo ka u seriji TS-2000 :o . . . ? !
73 PJT
Citat: 9A7PJT u 09. Srpanj 2010, 21:09:41
Citat: 9A5ATY u 09. Srpanj 2010, 18:47:45
Možda klasičan izvana ali nadam se da će Kenwood spakirati par iznenađenja unutra. ;D
Da nebi iznenadenje bilo ka u seriji TS-2000 :o . . . ? !
73 PJT
To ti je bila obrnuta koncepcija.... Moderan izvanka a iznutra .... ;) ;D
http://www.cqcqde.com/shop/20685_10091.html (http://www.cqcqde.com/shop/20685_10091.html)
Krenule rezervacije u JA.
Google Translate is your friend.
Boris
Mislim da KENWOOD ima bolju prođu sa bjelom tehnikom...
Poznata je cijena za 9A.
Cjenik i katalog možete skinuti na portalu kojeg uređujem
U prodaji bi trebao biti oko sredine 12 mjeseca
TNX info, Zoki.
Ajde sad netko meni neukome objašnjenje:
Između TS-2000 i TS-590 je samo 160 USD...
Zašto kupiti TS-590?
Citat: 9A3TA u 05. Listopad 2010, 20:52:37
TNX info, Zoki.
Ajde sad netko meni neukome objašnjenje:
Između TS-2000 i TS-590 je samo 160 USD...
Zašto kupiti TS-590?
Zbog imiđa Dado, imiđa. ;)
Lijepi pozdrav
Branko 9a7YY
Citat: 9A6JRZ u 05. Listopad 2010, 18:46:44
Poznata je cijena za 9A.
Cjenik i katalog možete skinuti na portalu kojeg uređujem
U prodaji bi trebao biti oko sredine 12 mjeseca
Čisto iz radoznalosti, ne razmišljam o kupnji, može li link?
Treba pričekati koju godinu,dvije i cijena će mu biti OK.
Osim toga ako im se u prvim primjercima potkrao nekakav BUG u narednim serijama će ga otkloniti.
"Ne tuć na prvi balun". ;)
73,9A6R
P.S.Nadam se da će po karakteristikama biti barem uz bok K3.
Citat: 9A6R u 05. Listopad 2010, 23:05:30
Osim toga ako im se u prvim primjercima potkrao nekakav BUG u narednim serijama će ga otkloniti.
"Ne tuć na prvi balun". ;)
73,9A6R
Jel to znaci da se sad vec moze kupit TS 2000, naravno bez bagova ?
Nema uređaja bez bar jedne mane!TS-2000 nije loš uređaj,ali me nije ni impresionirao i naravno ima boljih ali za više novaca :D
TS-590 ima samo KV i 50,za mene sasvim dovoljno.Ako bude u klasi sa K3-super posao.
73,9A6R
Malo su me proganjali oni upitnici uz cijenu ispravljača Kenwood PS-60...
Onda me gospon Google prosvijetlil:
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/0590.html
To mora sigurno bit kvalitetno...
Prodajni slogan bude: Tko nema PS-60, nije dobar radio amater!
Navali, narode, imiđž je imiđž...
Nadam se da se gospoda iz Kenwooda šale, 430 eura za ispravljač, 150, odnosno 250 eura za mikrofon... :o :o :o
I to sve bez naših nameta (carina, PDV...) ::) ::) ::)
Uvijek ista shema.Koliko dolara u U.S.A. toliko Eura u EU ::)
I plus teret kad to uvezeš u 9A(razna davanja,papirologija).
Zato nam i je ovako.
73,9A6R
Nema carine,PDV izbjegavaš u inostranstvu ako uređaj ide legalno u ljepu našu,naprimjer platiš uređaj 1000€,NJemac ti odbija MWST.20% to je 800€ a na tih osam stotina platiš naš PDV 23% carine već dugo nema neplaća se,nema ni špediterskih troškova ako je uređaj do 5000KN. dakle ako sve platiš uređaj je skuplji za razliku u porezu plus troškovi transporta i špediter oko 250 kn. recimo da je to oko 100€ sve ukupno na iznos od 1000€,ovo sve važi ako se uvozi iz Evrope a ako je kojim slučajem neka prekomorska dražava ,mora se pridodati i carina mislim da je oko 12%...
najveća se rasprava pokrenula oko izjave prodavača da je TS-590S ubojica K3.
ja mislim da je to odličan uređaj za svakodnevni rad, ali otići tako daleko u izjavi... možda taj salesman nije navikao raditi sa Dual VFO, pa rađe pretišće A/B, a vjerojatno mu ni težina nikada nije predstavljala problem kad je odlazio u neki portabl....
čini mi se kako će TS-590S osvojiti ljubitelje najnovije tehnologije, prije nego one koji u uređaju traže brdo već ustaljenih funkcionalnosti...
73,
Hrle - 9A6XX
Je, je, ubojica K3 pogotovo ako radi slično kao TS-570.
73
Sam, 9a3os
Citat:Je, je, ubojica K3 pogotovo ako radi slično kao TS-570.
A što imaš protiv TS-570 >:(?
73 ;D
Toni
http://www.strictlyham.com.au/images/stories/kenwood/base/pdf/TS-590S.pdf
570 se po mnogima nije pokazao baš nešto.Nadam se da je ovaj 590 daleko bolji.Trebao bi biti po brojkama.
73,9A6R
Jako friške vijesti vezano za ovaj uređaj
The TS-590S' software programs have today been uploaded to our Kenwood USA website and are now available for free download by customers.
The link at www.kenwood.com/i/products/info/amateur/software_download.html gives access to:-
1/ ARCP-590 – the graphical Radio Control Program.
2/ ARUA-10 – the USB port Audio Controller Program.
3/ ARHP-590 – the Network Command System for Internet operation.
4/ A virtual COM port Driver for use with a PC's USB port.
5/ PC Control Commands Manual in PDF format.
All the above programs work under Windows XP, Vista 32-bit and Windows 7 32/64-bit versions.
Citat: 9A6R u 12. Listopad 2010, 18:22:49
570 se po mnogima nije pokazao baš nešto.Nadam se da je ovaj 590 daleko bolji.Trebao bi biti po brojkama.
73,9A6R
Pozdrav,Reni imao sam 570 nemam zamjerke ,prosječan uređaj,dakle u svojoj klasi bez zamjerke,ljudi često uspoređuju neki uređaj srednje klase sa uređajima visoke klase kao što su FT-1000 i sl.nije za usporedbu....
Follow-up Comparison TS-590S vs K-3 and FTDX-5000 Time owned: 0 to 3 months
Wrote this for my FCG gang, but of interest to many.
Received the K-3 back from Elecraft with a note that said it exceeded specs.
Since they knew I was doing a comparison reviews, they asked me to turn off the 2nd receiver because there is a 3dB loss when both receivers are active since they share the same front end and the signal is split. They also asked that I set all radios to the same NR/DSP/filter/ etc.
So I did. I completely revamped the shack since it had grown in stages as I added gear and was becoming somewhat of a rat's nest of cables and wires, many without tags so that I was constantly tracing cables to see what when where. Removed everything, designed a layout, and marked every cable. I have pictures of the setup; three rigs in a line with an "ABC" switch to quickly switch from one to other.
Some minutiae:
YAESU FTDX-5000 K-3 Kenwood TS-590S
Knobs 90/8 Concentric 45/2 Conc 47/2 Concentric (Most are dual/multiple function)
Antenna Ports 4/1RX 2/1RX 2/1RX
(Not incl Transverters, etc)
Size/Weight
Yaesu FTDX-5000 18.2x5.3x15.3/ 46.3lbs
Elecraft K-3 11.1x 4.4x11.8/9.5lbs
Kenwood TS-590S 10.63x3.78x11.46/16.3lbs (Width/height/depth ", Lbs)
SW Updates 2 1 0
(Since purchase 8/10)
Cost: $5,600(w/300Hz Roofing) $4,100(2nd RX/Filters) $1,800
See the respective manuals for the details. Many ask about the TX/RX EQ capabilities. Both the Yaesu and the K-3 use parametric EQ, but with different methods. The K-3 uses a more traditional 8 segment band with adjustments of -16 to +16dB in each segment; while the Yaesu uses a nine segment matrix of center frequency, parametric gain, and Q (bandwidth) with -20dB to +10dB in the matrix. There is a completely separate matrix for "Processor On." The Kenwood sounds absolutely great out of the box, but offers seven different preset selections separately for both TX and RX, or you can roll your own with their ARCP-590 software designed for the TS-590S.
Unique features:
Yaesu FTDX-5000: Control your Yaesu rotor from the front panel; sloped AGC setting which preserves the "relative" signal strength of stations; individually programmable CW key ports; built-in voice/cw keyer/RX recorder; bandscope w/ hi fi speakers (D & MP models); DMU-2000 with the FTDX-5000 updated SW gives you finals temp, SWR chart across band, most radio settings, bandscope, etc etc.
Elecraft K-3: Built-in PSK-RTTY-CW decoder; super-fast ATU; phase locked dual diversity receivers (2nd RX option - tks Lu and Joe); built-in voice/CW keyer (option);
Kenwood TS-590S: Excellent ATU. Fast and tunes almost anything. Intuitive front panel with great graphical display of bandwidth/filtering; very good NB and NR; really great audio out of the box
How do they work? Remember, I'm primarily a CW guy so my opinion is somewhat biased.
Spent the first evening sorting through the pile-ups on 40CW, mainly to see how effective they were at digging out the weak signals sandwiched between big signals. And when the DX wasn't working split, that was real work. I did use Joe's recommended settings for the K-3, because like Will, I just can't get used to the high pitched noise hiss. Lu calls it "edgy", but my ears were trained on old tube rigs, and I guess I'm just dragging OOTC ears into this fray. Joe's settings weren't that far away from the ones I used before, but I still find the K-3 tiring to listen to. Rob Sherwood did an excellent analysis of the K-3 and found it superior in almost every aspect, but he did find the 9th order harmonics could be tiring for extended use.
High impedance headphones should significantly reduce this. I tried my Heil Pro Plus, Bose QC3's, my favorite Optimus Titanium 'phones, and various others here in the shack, but just couldn't get used to that "edgy" sound.
I have no lack of ESP signals up here in the high mountains of the "black hole", especially from EU and AF; nothing like those great signals in Florida! Set up on 40CW with a huge pile-up on a weak African, and once again, I am amazed to barely hear the weak signal muddled in the noise level on the K-3 and on the Kenwood, but it's Q5 when switched to the Yaesu FTDX-5000; still weak, but perfectly readable. This was repeated time after time, first on 40CW and then on 80CW. 20M wasn't really open or suitable, so stuck with 40M and 80M. The Kenwood TS-590S was the equal to the K-3 in every test, able to hear the weak CW signal, but not able to copy like the Yaesu. After Elecraft's assurances that my K-3 "exceeded specs", I can only conclude that the FTDX-5000 is much better than I had expected.
And the TS-590S proved to be worthy of the fan-fare preceding its release.
I don't think it's a K-3 "killer", but it is a very serious competitor, especially at its price point.
The two most important things for a CW contester are noise floor and dynamic range. All three have excellent dynamic range, at least in my ABC comparisons in crowded conditions and published specs, but I still found the noise floor of the K-3 too high to my ears, at least compared with the Yaesu and the Kenwood. I'm going to drag out my TS-570SG and TS-2000 for a quick comparison, since comparing these three high tech, quasi-SDR radios to each other will probably be on another plateau from my older rigs. They are all three marvelous radios and represent a quantum leap forward. I wish I had a FLEX5000 to compare. My friend, W4MO, has been trying to get me to buy one for two years now.
Switched to SSB, where close in spacing is not such a big deal as with CW, and there the difference was not so obvious. The Yaesu still did a wonderful job isolating the weak signals, but the difference was not so evident. The Kenwood had that great "broadcast" audio sound that is a Kenwood tradition but could use one more roofing filter (maybe 1.8), but the K-3 was a very effective SSB radio; very crisp audio and great signal isolation with the filtering system. I can see why it is a favorite with SSB contesters; but I still preferred the Yaesu over the K-3 or the Kenwood; for me it was just more comfortable to use. In on air tests, almost everyone gave all three very high marks for the audio. I had a round-table on 75SSB and they were delighted to compare ABC without my telling them which was which. Some liked the Yaesu because it "sounded bigger", but they were the weaker stations and the Yaesu's slightly higher power was more than likely the difference.
I have been very impressed with this Kenwood TS-590S. With its price point, it is a lot of radio for the money. It has great audio and very pleasant to listen to like the Yaesu. I could probably get used to the K-3, but listening to the other two for extended periods on CW would not be as tiring as I find the K-3 on CW.
Which is the best? Depends on what you want. As Charlie, 'VUD, pointed out, they are more similar than different. The value rig is the Kenwood TS-590S which is an amazing radio for the money. I predict they will sell tons of them! The do-everything, Swiss Army knife K-3 is a great SSB contesting rig that you can tailor to your desires but that may take a while. Lu pointed out that he is finally comfortable with his after almost a year. But my personal choice is the Yaesu FTDX-5000 for all around operation. Almost every feature you could want, tailoring to whatever you wish, and solid feel and build. It was my go-to radio every time conditions and copy got rough. You won't go wrong with any of these .
Pozdrav kolegama u 9A :),
dakle ima li tko nabavljen TS-590S, te kakva su
iskustva u upotrebi aparata ??
Na e-ham.net ga dižu u zvijezde ???
U Sloveniji još nisam nikoga čuo ili da je napisao da ga upotrebljava?? ???
kakva je cijena u 9A ? U Široj Evropi od 1640 do 1900,00 :-[
Pozdrav od kenwood ljubitelja,
Nermin S58DX 8)
U prodaji bi trebao biti oko sredine 12 mjeseca (bar je takva najava), a cijena je 1.590 USD + PDV (U cijeni je uključen: Mikrofon, DC kabel i dodatni konektori)
73 de 9a6jrz
Pozdrav Kenwoodoljupče,
ima nas i u 9A koji smo također nestrpljivi da čujemo lokalna mišljenja o toj novoj zvjerci :D
Bit će, u stvari već i je pravo osvježenje u ponudi za KV bandove...
Ipak mislim da će u EU biti dosta povoljniji nego ovdje >:(
Možda dođem u S5 po jednoga... ;D
Sherwood lista, TS-590S jos nije tu, ali komentari jesu:
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
Re: Love this radio
Posted by: "Rob Sherwood" rob@nc0b.com nc0b
Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:56 am (PST)
Comparisons between the expensive FTdx-5000D and the reasonably-priced TS-590S.
As you can see below, I ran the Kenwood and Yaesu in this past weekend's CW contest. I also used the radios on SSB in the ARRL 10 meter contest and general rag chewing.
The 3X cost and weight differences are obvious.
Both performed well in the Stew Perry 160 meter contest which was not as crowded as the December ARRL 160 contest, but the band was packed from about 1802 to 1850 kHz. There was no sign of overload on either, which is what one would expect due to the good close-in dynamic range of both.
I used the 50 Hz filter bandwidth to work CE1/K7CA on both rigs between the two contest. The problem was all the stations calling the CE1, and having to be able to hear when the CE1 came back to me since other stations were still calling him while he answering a call. That required the 50 Hz bandwidth. Both rigs worked fine, though the ringing seemed a bit less on the Yaesu. That is a subjective call, but that what it seemed like. On this weekend I put both rigs on the CE1 for about 10 minutes, both on 50 Hz, and went back and forth with the operating position antenna switch to compare. The difference was subtle, but the sound of signals off the peak were less hollow sounding on the Yaesu. The bottom line was I was able to work the CE1 on the first call on both rigs once I got the signal tuned in on the 50 Hz filter.
I ran the attenuator on the 590S so the S meter was not reading on band noise. On the Yaesu I ran it on IPO1, which is has similar total gain as the Kenwood with the attenuator. To give more data, the S meter just starts to move on the 590S with the attenuator at 14 uV and the S meter just starts to move on the Yaesu on IPO1 at 11 uV. Both the values were perfect for me at my QTH out in the country.
I preferred the fact that the display on the Yaesu gave me the bandwidth I had selected all the time, while it goes away on the 590S, just like it goes away on the K3. This is a minor annoyance, but I prefer to know how I have the radio set without having to change it to see the bandwidth. I find that in a contest I try to vary to bandwidth and the IF shift (and the CW pitch) throughout the contest depending on QRM and to keep my ears from developing a notch at one frequency from listening for hours to the same beatnote.
Both rigs were setup for semi-break-in, the 590S driving an Alpha 99 and the 5000D driving an Alpha 89. Due to the limited bandwidth of my antenna on 160 meters, I have to adjust the drive level as I approach the low end and high end of the bottom 50 kHz to keep the reflected power to less than 250 watts. Otherwise the Alphas trip out on an SWR fault. This means I have to push a button, turn a knob and push a button on the 590S and to reach an inconvenient small concentric knob on the 5000D. Having to do three actions on the 590S was more cumbersome than turning the knob on the Yaesu.
The Yaesu had a 600 Hz roofing filter and the Kenwood the standard 500 Hz. Both radios were typically ran at 200 to 300 Hz bandwidth throughout the contest. The only problem I had with either radio was the key clicks / keying sidebands of a few strong stations. No radio can fix that problem, as it is the other stations problem of having poor wave shaping on transmit.
Both radios have transmit distortion problems on SSB under certain circumstances. W6XX has been taking screen shots with his K3 and LP-PAN of my signal of 20 meters on both rigs when I have a 50 dB S/N ratio. The 590S has obvious "shoulders" on the transmit signal that are worse than one would expect. I can supply this picture to anyone who wants to see it. The 5000D can be extremely clean, but only if one is running class A and running NO ALC and NO processing. Once the processor is turned on, and it only works if the ALC is really being driven, the 5000D seriously degrades from fantastic to mediocre. I also have screen shots of the 5000D. K7VO broke into a QSO Sunday to say he had never seen such a clean signal on the air with his K3 and P3 panadapter. That was with the 5000D running in class A with No processing and No ALC. This was with the 5000D driving the Alpha 89, so I guess that also means the pair of 3CX800s are pretty clean, too. Hit the processing and ALC to get Contest / DX pile-up talk power, and the clean Yaesu signal seriously degrades.
The 10 meter contest, where the 590S is a typical up-conversion radio, did not prove much. Signals were not that strong except for Sunday afternoon when there was a fantastic E skip opening to the east. Some signals were 30 to 40 over S9. There were several splattering signals at that time, just like there were on 20 meters during CW WW SSB. No radio can fix the problem of the other guy overdriving his linear or running with mic and processor "knobs maxed out". In general even up-conversion radios are adequate on SSB, since we have to contend with transmitted IMD products of the guy 3 kHz away. Those are generally worse than a radio's dynamic range, since most transceivers are 13.8 V. class B PAs with relatively poor IMD specs.
The main question will be how often a 590S will be stressed on 30 and 17 meters during a DXpedition pile-up like Peter 1.
I have not yet done lab transmit IMD test on the 590S. One ham noticed some phase noise issues with the 590S during the 10 meter contest when on CW. Measurements were made by me on 10 meters to look at that issue, and as a comparison a K3 will be measured this week. This was a case of local signals within line-of-sight causing problems when the offending station was very strong and 5 to 10 kHz away.
Phase noise is often a problem on Field Day, in a multi-transmitter contest station (even SO2R) and when you have close by neighbors. I see the close neighbor problem more often on 160 meters, but obviously this can happen on any band if you can climb up your tower and see other towers, even if a few miles away. That is one of the down sides of synthesized radios.
One more thing. I have to use the Kenwood more on 20 meters. I have been really annoyed by the click, tick and pop problem of the 5000D on SSB. Its AGC is really affected by any transient noise, which tends to push the S meter to S7. This can be electric equipment coming on, like a furnace, turning your rotor and having the brake energize or de-energize, a neighbor's electric fence, or just noises on the band that "pop". Most radios since 2003 have this problem. I and some other hams I know sold their IC-7800 due to this problem. I use my 781 or Pro III since they don't have the problem like the 7800. The 5000D certainly has the problem, while the K3 does not, nor do the Flex radios. So it can be fixed in firmware, if the programer knows how to tell the AGC to ignore an occasional 1 msec "pop". So far Yaesu, Icom and Ten-Tec have not figured this out.
73, Rob, NC0B
Evo ga po treći puta da pokušam proći!
Prije svega Sretna Vam Nova godina i svako dobro!
Na sam kraj 2010.g. NC0B se potrudio da nam daruje obnovljenu Receiver Test Data listu na : http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
TS 590 je visoko plasiran iako mi se čini da je mogao i bolje. Zato što ima odličan VFO sa vrlo niskim šumom i ima odlične osobine na 20 Khz razmaku
koje se dosta kvare na 2 Khz razmaku. Ali dobro, obzirom na cijenu u USA, i ako naši u Kenwoodu ne pretjeraju...jako je dobar!
Isto važi i za Eagle od Ten-Teca! Yaesu FTdx5000D je na PRVOM mjestu ali po cijeni je to jedna druga priča.
Duže vremena sam razočaran kako loše stoje IC 7000 i FT2000 i znam po ARRLovim mjerenjima da je i TS 2000 tu negdje ali opet, dobri operatori
sa dobrim antenama i velikim snagama i sa njima dobro rade. U svakom slučaju, ako imate volje i vremena, proučite malo ove podatke pa u
Novoj godini ako ne bude previše recesijska...
73 from Božo,9A2VR
Citat: 9a2vr u 01. Siječanj 2011, 13:26:12
...ali opet, dobri operatori sa dobrim antenama i velikim snagama i sa njima dobro rade...
Nisam imao prilike raditi niti na jednom od navedenih uređaja pa se ne bih upuštao u ocjene ali me je zakopkalo ovo
velikim snagama. Po mom skromnom uvjerenju dobar će operator i sa malom snagom a dobrom antenom i nekim ne osobito kvalitetnim uređajem čuda uraditi. Samo zato što je
dobar operator! Bit ću slobodan citirati jednog velikog pjesnika:
Boj ne bije svijetlo oružje već boj bije srce u junaka! Napisao je on i:
Kome zakon leži u topuzu (tko ne zna to je buzdovan,
Morgenstern kako bi slikovito rekli Nijemci, HI)... Dalje neću da se ne bi netko uvrijedio ;)
Sretna vam nova 2011 svima i što više
šuške kako bi mogli obnoviti opremu!
Bilo bi dobro kad bi se negdje našla komparacija između TS-590 I TS-870S...ja sam s mojim prezadovoljan...
Damire koja je situacija u zemlji ja mislim da može i ovako ...da te malo djelomično citiram..
USE AND ENJOY MORSE CODE OPERATION IF YOU HAVE A RIG ...IF NOT ENJOY MORSE RUNNER........
Pozdrav svima i SRETNA VAM NOVA 2011..... :)
Važi Damire!
I ja se slažem sa onim stihom i sa Tvojim mišljenjem ali samo dok ne počne WW rat :), ops, mislio sam
CQ WW i tako nešto od jako jakih contesta. Obzirom da je puno ljudi jako "nabrijano" , onda treba i
operator i snaga i antene i razna pomagala kao chat, SMS, cluster, skimmer, SDR prijemnici(ima ih sve više).
Svaka vrsta pomoći je dobro došla ako vodi ka prvom mjestu ;) ! E sada , koliko je to sve moralno i normalno...?
No , što se tiče TS 590 , složio bih se sa tvrdnjom da nije baš K-3 ubojica ali nije ni loš jer DR od 88 db na
2 Khz razmaku je za većinu ( čak i contest) situacija , prihvaljiva vrijednost. TS 870s je u tom smislu znatno
lošiji i ima DR od 69 db na 2khz. I sad bi netko rekao da TS 870 od 9A1ZZ nevalja. Valja, samo nije dobro
da imate antenu na 50 m visine i nije dobro da nekoliko pravih "snagatora" radi baš jako blizu vaše radne frekvencije :). Sve dok ne "prokuha" prijemnik je dobar!
73 & GL in New Year from Božo,9A2VR
Mene zanima da li itko osim mene vidi da je gospon Sherwood složio vrlo specifičnu tabelu...
I da li je slučajno tako...
Kad su ga nazvali ubojicom K3 više su aludirali na cijenu a manje na karakteristike.Pa u DL-U ga ima za kupiti već za 1600 Eura a K3 je znatno skuplji.On će K3 ubiti cijenom a manje karakteristikama.BTW i one su tu negdje.I sve to za manje novaca.Po karakteristikama ima boljih uređaja od K3 i 590 samo treba izdvojiti barem 4 puta više novaca.Pa sad ko voli.... ;)
9A6R
Citat: 9a2vr u 02. Siječanj 2011, 03:49:00
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Svaka vrsta pomoći je dobro došla ako vodi ka prvom mjestu ;) ! E sada , koliko je to sve moralno i normalno...?
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Dobro pitanje Božo! Cilj opravdava sredstvo rekao je, ako se ne varam, netko tko je veoma zaslužan za drugi svjetski rat. Njegov je moto, nažalost, prihvatio veliki broj radioamatera-operatora pa na bandu imamo to što imamo >:( Od HAM-SPIRITA nije ostalo ni H :(
Frenki, slažem se s tobom da treba imati uređaj (znam na što misliš) ali i ovo je uređaj, ako ne najbolji u svojoj klasi onda tu negdje:
http://www.elecraft.com/KX1/KX1.htm (http://www.elecraft.com/KX1/KX1.htm)
Da ne nabrajam dalje... I moj stari Drake TR-4C je bio uređaj i to kakav! Sve što sam čuo, a čuo sam jako puno jer je imao odličan prijamnik, bez problema sam odradio s njim iako nije svjetlucao raznobojnim ledicama kao božićno drvce, nije imao DSP, roofing filtre i što ti ja znam što sve trpaju u današnje uređaje. Što se pak Kenwoodovog uređaja zbog kojega je ovaj topic otvoren tiče - ja bih ga rado imao. Zašto? Ne zato što je bolji ili slabiji od ovog ili onog uređaja drugih proizvođača, što ima ovakve ili onakve karakteristike koje drugi imaju ili nemaju nego jednostavno zato što sam zadovoljan Kenwoodovim uređajima, i starim TS-530S koji mi je služio jako dugo i dobro dok ga nisu stisle godine i sadašnjim TS-480SAT. Nažalost, nema se
šuške... Ako se štogod i skupi - ide za uređaj iz gornjeg linka ;)
I, na kraju, reći ću još samo ovo: svaki je uređaj dobar onoliko koliko je dobar operator koji njime rukuje!
KX1 je dobar samo mu fali linear ;D ;D
73,9A6R
E tu sam te čekao ;D Bez lineara je gušt uraditi DX, bez lineara... 8)
Je ako uspiješ.A kad ga zoveš a ostaneš bez veze ??? A zoveš ga nekad i danima...Fala ti na tome Damire.
U svakom slučaju tvoj izbor,nemam ništa protiv.
Malo smo off topic,nek nam ne zamjere.
73,9A6R
Citat: 9A6R u 02. Siječanj 2011, 13:54:18
Je ako uspiješ.A kad ga zoveš a ostaneš bez veze ??? A zoveš ga nekad i danima...
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Ma nije smak svijeta ako se i ne odradi na prvu, inače nikad ne zovem baš jako uporno, ide - ide, ne ide - ne ide... Onda se jednostavno dogodi da
ubodem u pravom trenutku i ipak ga odradim. Znaš ono, kad tek dođe na band i prvi puta zovne CQ, a ja se upravo tada tu nađem... I onda nastane krkljanac, a ja se smijuljim i upisujem ga u dnevnik... ;D
Držim se inače olimpijskog načela: Važno je sudjelovati ;)
Vjerujem da bi sve to sa nekim super-extra uređajem od
n tisuća zelembaća i kakvom Alfom ili nečim višestruko jačim od legalnog limita, sa stupom od barem dvadesetak metara i
n elemenata ili kakvim stackom od par puta po
n elemenata bilo puno lakše ali meni to ne bi bilo to.. Stvar je to osobnog izbora, imaš pravo!
Morat ću ja sačekati koju godinu da euforija oko TS-590S malo kalma i sukladno tome i cijene, pa ćemo onda vidjeti ;)
Slažemo se barem u ovoj tvojoj zadnjoj rečenici,HI.
73,9A6R
9A3VV pise:
Znaš ono, kad tek dođe na band i prvi puta zovne CQ, a ja se upravo tada tu nađem... I onda nastane krkljanac, a ja se smijuljim i upisujem ga u dnevnik...
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update: ljepse je ovako:
Znaš ono, kad tek dođe na band i prvi puta zovne CQ, a ja se upravo tada tu nađem... I onda nastane krkljanac, a ja se smijuljim i spotujem ga na cluster... 8)
Ma koje spotiranje čovječe, valja iz te gungule izvući živu glavu ;D Mislim, to se zbilja rijetko događa ali sam ja imao par puta tu sreću naći se u pravo vrijeme na pravom mjestu 8)
Čujem da su tri kupljena i isporuka slijedeći tjedan? Vjerujem da će sretnici napisati svoja zapažanja.
:)
Samo pohvale.TOP GUN uređaj.Fotke nekom drugom prilikom.
9A6R
Damire sve je OK sa 100w-tića i užitak je ali ipak je nekad lakse sa 1kW tić ili više ,imaš ti Reni prav.Ovaj Kenwood je stvarno hit ali je malo preskup za nase prilike hi hi jedva sam sad dosegnuo TS480 hi hi
Za dva dana stiže ts590 pa ću vam reći kakav je.
73Toma 9a4w
Danas stigao ts590 fino izgleda sad ga treba probati u contestu .
Citat: 9a4w u 10. Veljača 2011, 23:03:12
Danas stigao ts590 fino izgleda sad ga treba probati u contestu .
Provaj ga na 3675 , . . . ko ce cekat contest ;) . . .
73 PJT
Evo jednog malo dužeg osvrta na ovu "kantu"...preneseno sa EHAM net-a...jest da je na engleskom ali... :P
RFEXPERT
Rating: 5/5 Feb 11, 2011 17:19
Excellent All rounder Time owned: 3 to 6 months
Executive Summary. Its the best all round performance orientated HF radio available on the market at an affordable price.
First let me say that I approach reviews from 2 angles. The first angle is the ultimate raw performance and the 2nd is how much fun the radio is to use.
This second angle of how you like the radios ergonomics and its general appeal. The other important aspect of how well laid out the controls are, are just as important as the ultimate receiver performance. In a general purpose station radio you should ideally have all these aspects correct. In this regard the TS590S is a winner.
I own many radios. The 3 that are on my main operating desk are the K3, FT5000 and IC7700. Sold recently were the Orion2 and Icom7800.
The performance angle.
There is doubt that Kenwood has delivered a wonderful high performance radio. On the bands where contest receiver performance counts it gets a 5/5. I could not detect a single of case IMD dynamic range problems on a band like 40 meters using a big 3 element Yagi. Yet on the IC7700 these problems could be detected and the receiver
was bordering on collapsing. The TS590s has excellent filters and the roofing filters are better than the Icom 7700(Doooh) and so close to the K3 that it hardly matters. The K3's narrow roofing filters of 1.8khz and lower are impressive. For most operators the difference would not matter. For economy of performance the TS590S is a real winner and a bargain. You would be hard pressed to justify a radio like a IC7700 and IC7800 which basically only has 200 watts and a bandscope with a less than impressive receiver performance when compared to the TS590s operating in the down conversion mode. Up conversion radios will never beat down conversion radios any time soon!
The TS590S and FT5000.
The TS590S has better image rejection performance than the FT5000 and sounds just as good. There was not a single time on the air where my new FT5000 could embarrass the TS590S. They both sound just as good.
The FT5000 is a radio with a superb transmitter that has the best processed audio that I have encountered. The transmitter with its 200 watt PA has world class PA performance with the best available TX IMD performance. If you want to run a clean signal the YAesu FT5000 is a winner in this area of TX IMD.
The TS590S in the 160meter CW contest was a winner and I had no trouble switching from the FT5000 and the TS590S running stations. Never once did I lament that I wished that the TS590S has this or that control or feature. It is a professional radio in a small box that gets the job done. It does have that annoying birdie on 160meters!
The TS590S and the K3.
Well the TS590s has much better ergonomics and construction. It also has a much better sounding receiver than the K3. The K3 has a noisy receiver in comparison to the TS590S. The TS590S also has less INBAND RX IMD so sounds much better and warmer. Ergonomics on the K3 stinks and having dedicated marked band and mode switches makes the
TS590S a real winner. Tuning around the bands or bandhopping was a joy and so easy on the TS590S, something that turns into mental gymnastics with the the K3!
I also found the Kenwood's noise blankers able to deal with a broader range of typical noise better than the K3. The K3's blankers both analog and digital seem to need a very specific noise signature for them to work. On the most effective settings they always introduce distortion. You can use the TS590S noise blanker on moderate
settings without excessive distortion. I could for example blank an electric fence and leave the blanker engaged on the TS590s without problems. On the K3 strong signals even when lightly set caused distortion.
The K3 does have features that the TS590S does not have and is an incredible bargain for features and performance. The TS590S has better transmitter IMD performance than the K3 however the TS590S does generate ALC splatter. This problem seems to be a design problem in every Japanese radio; even my IC7700 and IC7800 had ALC
overshoot issues. If you run a modern tetrode amplifier like a ACOM2000 do not be surprised if you are told that you are splattering because you probably are. This ALC overshoot so common on many JA causes a lot of splatter with tetrode amps. You need to very carefully monitor the TS590s ALC, no ALC action is better! The K3 despite its poor TX IMD has a properly designed ALC that does not cause splatter problems on TX.
The K3's receiver when compared to the TS590S is very weak in none dynamic range areas. The amount of birdies in the K3 that can be noticed is very high. Birdies on the K3's receiver especially on the high bands and the warc bands are terrible. It's almost like Elecraft have parked all the birdies on the WARC bands. 12 meters on the K3 is full of birdies. The TS590S has the advantage here because of the up conversion process on the higher bands where ultimate performance hardly matters.
The real surprise for me was this. I have a nearby CB operator who runs illegal power that splatters right into meters with his Class C amplifier. I thought the K3 with its tight bandpass filters would be the winner, NO! The TS590S for whatever reason seems to reject this out of band CB splatter much better. I have no explanation for this. However I am happy. There seems to be something in the K3s receiver that makes it more susceptible to the CB 27 MHz transmissions.
The TS590S has a soft warmer sounding receiver that does not sound so harsh on RX like the K3. The TS590S sounds like the Icom 7700/7800 Radios soft and warm. Don't know what it is about the K3 that makes its sounds like someone is hack sawing off your right ear while receiving. This is especially so when the bands have static on them.
The TS590S in up conversion is a great general purpose shortwave receiver when tuning around.
TS590S is a winner in terms of raw performance and value for money.
Many hams probably have old legendary Kenwood radios like the TS430S, TS440s and TS450s. Millions of these general purpose radios were sold. If you have these radios and are considering the TS590S, it would be the perfect radio for you. Despite these old Kenwood's legendary performance and reliability, they are like old antiques compared to a Ferrari. The TS590S is a Ferrari like performing radio that comes at a bargain price. The TS590S is not your grandfather's radio! So if you want to clean your shack of all the failing rubbish with no parts availability get the TS590S. You cannot buy at this moment such a high performance radio for the price. Heck even the expensive IC7700 and IC7800 have crap receiver performance numbers when you compare it to the TS590S. These two expensive Icoms don't even have a better transmitter performance their IMD performance is so average and equal to the TS590S and no better! For the price you pay for the Icoms you would expect better performance, yes?
The ergonomics of the TS590S are very good for such a compact radio. The 3 things that ham does when hamming, spin the VFO knob, use the mode switch, work split and use the band switch to change bands. You do this millions of times. If a radio can't do these basic things well and without thinking you don't have much of a radio.
The TS590S is a winner in this regard. Its ergonomics are fine and does the basics fine without causing heartburn or needing to pull a manual out. The K3 by comparison is an ergonomic disaster. The tuning on the shortwave bands messes up your ham band tuning, you can't do band splits on VFOA VFOB. I always like having VFOB on a different band and switching quickly between bands. Cant do this on the K3. You can on all the old great Kenwood radios and most other brands you can do this, not on the K3. The K3 is an
ergonomic mess when tuning and band jumping. Having to cycle through every band or mode is a PITA!!! Yeah sure there are shortcuts on the K3, well I don't want to use shortcuts I want to use dedicated controls that are clearly labeled on the panel. Same goes for split the TS590S is a winner. The K3 is awful awkward radio to use on
split. Even using an old IC735 you can work split in more efficient manner than the K3. Oh, did I mention proper bandstacking registers, Kenwood worked this out decades ago not other manufacturers!
TS590s is nicely balanced well thought out radio that does not give you heartburn or make you feel like you need a radio with more knobs like you feel when using the K3. The K3 gives me heartburn every time I use it its so frustrating how poorly laid out the front panel is, and how poor the general ergonomics are. This is not to say that the TS590S is the worlds best ergonomic radio, it's just a whole lot better than the K3. I can drop you in front of a TS590S and you will be using it without using the manual. Try that with a K3!
TS590S winner in general ergonomics!
I use a lot of wire antennas with balanced tuners at a portable holiday location with a small amplifier. I used to use the K3 for this with a huge balanced antenna tuner. If I used my K3 with tuner on the shelf above it bringing the balanced and end fed wires into the tuner the K3 would have a huge spasm and freeze up. I had to constantly pull the power and do a reset. The K3 would also drive the amplifier very badly with RF coming off the feeders. I basically had to stop using open wire antennas and high power with my K3; it was sensitive to RF on TX and lacked RF immunity.
Fast.... Forward...... others radios including the IC7700 and TS590S. Wellll ermmm the Ft5000 was OK; The IC7700 threw a fit and died on 2 occasions. Icom was not sure if it was "RF or Static" and tried blaming me because their radio design was so terrible and sensitive because the radio blew up because of RF indigestion. OMG can you believe that a radio dying because of static and RF!!! OMG hams get rid of your RF it will hurt the radio, static too!! Needless to say the Icoms cost me close to another TS590S in repair bill costs! Anyway the TS590S plugged right in and worked flawlessly. 1kw into the balanced coupler above the radio, full pep, no drive issues and the radios not freaking out.
Well what more can I say and think. WOW I did not need ferrite, call in a RF ground expert or get rid of my antique electric wire aerials, or hear excuses of why a radio cant cope with Rf floating around, AMAZING. Wonder why a TS590S can handle this situation and other radios can't? I must just hate those other brands eh? Unfortunately not, look inside the K3 and compare it to the construction of the TS590S. Look particular at the shielding around the electronics and look at how the PA is constructed. You ham right? And you know about shielding and bypassing? Why is this missing in such expensive radios that are supposed to be the best? Why cant a Icom IC7700 handle RF and static fields? ask Icom that question. TS590S is winner in not being RF sensitive and well constructed and shielded.
Just to be sure I parked a SGC230 on top of the TS590s plugged in a random bit of wire ran off a short ground current return and tuned on all bands, click, clack buzz prrrr worked perfectly and no rf in the audio, even got a RF bite and the radio did not blow up or go berserk. Cant do this on the K3, and well on the Icom IC7700 I did not want to try this with this expensive radio and blow it up a 3rd time! One repair and shipping bill for a Icom 7700 will make you lock it it up in vault for life with your grandfathers war medals and gold watches!
When I got the second receiver into the K3 the birdies drove me nuts. Elecraft support suggested moving cables a bit here and there to move and try and reduce the level of the birdies, say what! Is RF shielding still a patented process or what? The K3's second receiver causes birdies no wonder it cant handle the RF off open
wire feeders! I am impressed with the TS590S general RF immunity, its well designed.
TS590S Extras features such as Skycommand, REMOTE HF and voice announcement are all enjoyable bonuses.
What I don't like on the TS590S.
The receiver seems too sensitive to pulses like electric fence noise and every electric device that switches on and off in your house. It causes clicks as it should.
The K3's feature of allowing the AGC to reject these pulses is great. In fact the K3 is only radio which I don't have to use a noise blanker on all the time to reject electric fence pulses. The IComs and Yaesu also have this problem. The K3 is winner in this area.
The TS590S has a 12 volt PA with less than spectacular high order TX IMD suppression. Why Kenwood did not use high voltage FETS is beyond me. Such a high performance radio like the TS590S needs a PA with less TX IMD not a CB radio PA like in most rigs. Its 2 tone IMD numbers are better than the K3 however the TS590S ALC overshoot problem causes IMD and splatter. The Japanese manufacturers need to clean up their act in this area and the TS590S is poor in this area which is a shame.
No IF output for a bandscope. These days this is a must, why Kenwood crippled the radio by not providing this is a big question.
TXCO should not be an option these days. If the radio had the TXCO and IF output it would have been a complete radio.
The S-meter is not calibrated and is the usual flickering guess meter worth nothing! K3 is a winner in this area.
The TS590S is a great all round radio that packs performance and features. A lot of thought and features have been put into this radio, this combined with its excellent ergonomics and constructions make it a best buy bargain in ham radios at the moment. Its key attribute is its performance at a bargain price that can't really
be matched by other brands. I give it 5/5 despite it only deserving a 4/5 because it's less than impressive TX IMD performance.
The K3 is a perfect comparison with which to compare the TS590S with. If I wanted the ultimate big box radio that delivers K3 performance, I would select the FT5000 Which is my main contesting radio. The TS590S sits on top of the FT5000 and is almost an equal. If Elecraft ever produced a K4 with better ergonomics and front panel I might look at it again as my main station radio. For the moment between the FT5000 and TS590S I have everything that I need without question. I just can't get into the K3 because of all the issues that I have with its ergonomics. I turn it on now and then to check the performance of other radios. Since I have the TS590S I hardly use my K3! The K3 is a mission specialist radio that you will either love or hate, I mostly hate its ergonomics. It does pack features and performance thats hard too equal. Since the TS590S has come along, the K3 is only a nose in front, you would feel like a happy loser with a TS590S in front of you because they so close.
If Yaesu produced a version of the TS590S that is laid out like a FT950 and had equal or better performance it would be runaway success. I am generally not a fan of small radios. I would like to see Kenwood producing radios like the old TS930S and TS940S. These radios had good receivers, good layout, well designed PA's and built in power supplies. The FT950 is reminder of these radios, but unfortunately the FT950's performance sucks. Anyway more dreams!
TS590S is a small radio performance wonder box that would please the most fastidious HF radio user,,, go get it you wont be disappointed! Thanks Kenwood for a great radio.
Muči me malo 3. red:
Vlasnik 3-6 mjeseci....
Ajde drugi put link , a ne ovak dugačku reklamu.
:D TS590S je stigao u PPS 9A1CFN i mogu vam reći
da radi izvrsno te da opravdava svoju cijenu.
Za sada radi na digitali (PSK i RTTY) a vjerojatno će
i tako ostati.
Rukovanje vrlo lako i dostupno čak i našoj djeci
koja su ga odmah skužila. To je tako kad se rode
s mobitelom ispod jastuka HI ;D .
Do sada nismo primjetili nikakav nedostatak. Uskoro
ćemo ga testirati u Bilogori pa sami ocjenite signal
i kvalitetu modulacije.
Srdačan pozdrav iz Supetra ;) Ivica 9A2BW
pozdrav
nek se javi netko tko ima ts590
kako se ponaša u contestu
mene najviše zanima ..kad bi spojio transverter na njega...
jel netko uspoređivao ts590 sa ts870...ts950sdx...ili neki drugi uređaj razlika na prijemu..
9a9c..đuro
Đuro,590 je najprodavaniji radio ali kao polovan(korišten)neznam što to znači? ali na (Funk boerse.de) sam naišao do sada na više od deset 590 koje sretni vlasnici nude na prodaju zašto ???
pozdrav Drago
pročitao sam zadnjih 240 oglasa na tom oglasniku...ali nisam vidio nijedan da prodaje KENWOOD TS590S
73...9a9c..đuro
Tamo dnevno nekada izađe na desetinu oglasa,prati paćeš vidjeti....
Panorama adapter:
http://uncle-ziba.livejournal.com/7967.html
Stiže novi model - TS590SG
http://www2.jvckenwood.com/newsrelease/2014/20141002.html?ad=oml141002
73
9A6W
Na latinici,
vidi prilozeno.
9a5bcl,Zvonimir
TS-590 SG, za sada, u EU ga ima u "WiMo" (1899,00 EUR) i u Sloveniji "Ken-Lab"(1647,00 EUR). Ima ga već i na
poznatoj "Sherweng table", a ima i par komentara na "eham.net".
73, Božo,9a2vr
TS-590S definitivno ima problem sa ALC kontrolom i pojavom spike na svim bandovima što je u ostalom i priznao Kenwood pa nudi besplatnu modifikaciju u ovlaštenim servisima. Jedan dio probleme je riješn kroz update firmware ali glavninu predstavlja hardware modification.To je jedan od bitnih razloga zašto se sve više mogu naći polovni na tržištu u ostalom kao i velika zamjerka je što nije ostavljen IF out.
73, e72x